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aquastell |
Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 13 2009, 12:26 PM EST
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I disagree with everyone calling for the head of the defensive coordinator. The D has been hampered by injuries the entire year and they played well enough to win against San Diego. They only gave up 146 yards prior to San Diego's final drive. Yes they got beat, but that happens in the NFL when you don't put your opponent away. A muffed field goal that looks like only the kicker thought it was a fake is all that kept us from a 10 point lead at the end of that game. I am tired of a predictable offense where it seems like whenever anything is going well we abandon it. I see a lack of aggressive play calling, poor execution at times and a real lack of any innovation on the part of the offense whatsoever. We should be throwing more slants and quick passes to take advantage of our speedsters and keep defenses off balance. All I see though is predicatability, which is why we are getting stopped in the red zone. The playoff loss to the Eagles last year is a perfect example. Jacobs was carving off five yards every run, and Eli was hitting the tight ends over the middle on quick posts. Then every time the Giants had moved the ball into scoring position, they went for long passes instead of pounding Jacobs and had to settle for field goals. The talent we possess on offense is just being squandered, and our D will be fine if they can get healthy and will improve as they settle into the system with Sheridan. Offensively we need to be aggressive, craft plays that work with our personnel, and have better gameplans with better plays and I just don't think Gilbride is up to the task. I want someone like Sean Payton calling the shots. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?
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den/nyg |
1. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 13 2009, 4:00 PM EST
Amen brother!! Gilbride or not, predictability would be great. I felt the same way about the playoff loss to the Eagles.
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2. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 16 2009, 9:41 AM EST
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aqua-man, your point on "kill-drive" gilbride is well taken and spot on, but Im not sure your memory serves you well on BJ's running towards the end of game. His last 8 carries were for 3,2,1,11,5,2, and 1 yard respectively. His last "less than lethal" carry for 1 yard was on a critical 4th and only 2 yards situation. What that game revealed to me more than any one thing was that our star qb CANNOT carry an offense when the REAL stars are not perfectly aligned in the constellation and his running game gets "out numbered". His abysmal performance ended with him crawling in a coward-like fetal position on a failed 4th and inches and later throwing a GAME OVER int!; his 50% completion percentage and 2 INTs 2009 performance vs the Eagles, with that proverbial CHIP on his shoulder from that squandered 2008 playoff loss, is just another piece of evidence about who this guy is; a nice guy with AVERAGE ability....on to your post.......why keep a guy that leads a defense that has regressed into being an average defenseafter being one of the best, most aggressive in franchise history? I concur that injuries have kept us from reaching our potential but there was still enough talent to not let us become an embarrassing spectacle vs. the upper tier of NFL teams. Even if the effort is not the same as it was, that too speaks to the effectiveness of his ability to lead. I admit we have become very critical of BS and all of our coaches, but that is what happens when a team that has S B aspirations, falls from grace and does not live up to those expectations. Jacobs (my favorite) and the younger Manning should be court ordrered to give a large portion of their "fat" contracts to a worth-while charity; perhaps in hiring 2 proven Coordinators that can bring respectability back to Big Blue. Let us move forward playing the brand of football that speaks of toughness, desire and makes us proud to call ourselves true BLUE......NYG NYG
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aquastell |
3. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 16 2009, 6:42 PM EST
Not sure that I would consider our current defense anywhere near "one of the best in franchise history". Where is that coming from? Statistics amassed from five games against questionable opponents? The current D can't compare in any way to the D's of the eighties in which opposing teams consistently went backwards. And despite 8 and even 9 in the box Jacobs was averaging over three and a third yards per carry on those carries you listed and had he carried the ball a dozen more times in that game I believe we would have won it.....and as for Eli's performance....neither passer completed anything over 10 yards until the end of the third when the wind diminished. Yet Gilbride tried a game plan that relied on passing...just not smart in northeast windy conditions. As for the blowouts against NO and Philly this year, I feel that had we called a decent offensive game plan we wouldn't have been blown out, despite the weak performance of the D. Again, injuries haven't helped and I think it is a bit soon to bury this team, but I would like an innovator on offense and Gilbride just isn't one and I question whether he ever will be. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 16 2009, 10:30 PM EST
The key word was "Regressed". Hooked on phonlcs, perhaps.
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gmen11 |
5. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 16 2009, 10:52 PM EST
AQ; my bad for the misunderstanding. Our current D this year has regressed to our losing pre-80's teams. What I tried to post & point out about BS is that he has allowed our defense to digress from being one of our best defenses the passed few years to being the week link of our entire team; 1970's ish like. I totally agree with you, Den and most of our board that Gilbride needs to be released; no creativity, 5 wide sets, end arounds, wild cat, etc. He is light years behind the current NFL coordinators. I do not however, feel that he is responsible for Manning's inconsistancy, average, innaccurate arm, staring @ receivers and his inabilty to make things happen when his running game is not gaining 5 yards per carry or his pocket collapses WELCOME TO THE NF freaking L. Poor game plan acknowledged, in Philly playoff and NO game this year, Eli had GREAT opportunities in both games to make D's pay for 8-9 man up philosophy and missed his WRs almost every time. We could have/should have won that game and if Manning plays well, had a chance against Saints 2 despite poor D. Missed opportunities are on the QB, not the OC......neither are close to the best at their trade out there or good enough for our team imo. I know on this board I'm in the minority on the Eli debate, but in most circles that sentiment is shared. Had Shubert not assisted him in escaping the almost sack or the official that day who later admitted he would have blown whistle sooner in regular season game, and his Hail Tyree pass fell incomplete, most of Big Blue faithful would be calling for change to be made.Tyree made a miraculous grab, the defense stymied perhaps the most dominant O in NFL history and like it or not, I have to accept that he is our qb now and for the next few years. I can only hope he learns to throw spirals in the windy state of NJ, and sometime in the near future he can throw for 300 yards and/or carry an offense when we need him to ON A REGULAR BASIS.
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6. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 18 2009, 1:20 PM EST
Here is a clip with both Giants coordinators discussing the 2009 "Red Zone" issues:http://history.giants.com/video/8169614/Season+Not+Doomed+-+New+York+Post 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 18 2009, 4:05 PM EST
ESPN reports that KEVIN GILBRIDE being considered for Bills head coaching job, behind Mike Shanahan. Let us all pray, Shanahan or his wife hates the cold weather!!!!!!
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aquastell |
8. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 19 2009, 7:38 PM EST
GM11 - My observations on Eli....I still think it is a bit early to eighty-six him. He is certainly no Payton but there's no reason to think he won't grow up to be as good. Even Payton admits Eli is the superior athlete. Eli already has more fourth quarter comebacks in his fairly short career than Phil Simms in his entirety. I remember sitting in the stands hearing the boos for Simms for the first six years he spent with the Giants and then he proved his worth when in '86 he was the ONLY NFL QB to start all 16 regular season games for his team. Man was he tough. He set the NFL standard for it. Eli is showing some toughness too with the shoulder in '07 and the foot this year. And he already has a SB under his belt, and yes, The Catch was pretty damn lucky but good teams and good players make their own luck. I also like the way Eli, up until this losing streak, has shown the PERFECT demeanor for an NFL QB. Nothing rattles him. I agree he missed some very open receivers but he will see the entire field soon. It takes time in the NFL to get there. As for him being able to carry the team I am not sure that there are many, if any QB's that can carry their teams. Football is all about the team and everyone has to do their part to win. So I am thinking we will see good things brought to us as Giants fans over the course of Eli's career and really, despite the losing streak I wouldnt be a bit surprised to see us back on top very soon.
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9. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 22 2009, 12:04 AM EST
OK I ranted on the Sheridan topic so here I am to rag on Killbride....if the man cannot call plays in a reasonable(IE 8 to 12 seconds) where the offense is not consistantly snappin the ball with 1 or no seconds on the clock then he needs to go. I don't care what reason he could possibly give but Eli is most effective in an up tempo offense where he has the ability to read the D and make adjustments before the snap. If the play doesn't get to him until there is 10 seconds left on the game clock he doesn't have that luxuory<sp> Eli runs a no huddle/hurry up as well as any QB in the league and Gilbride slows the offense down to a crawl. Ditch the slow poke and get an innovative quick thinking OC in here.
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10. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 23 2009, 1:57 PM EST
I respect many of the opinions disscussed here in these posts above. However it seems many want to pass blame around on the OC and DC and even on Easy E.I find truth in all that is written here. I love Eli just as much as the next guy, but there are days when I wish he was playing in San Diego. My point is this: This group of super talented guys all need to man up and play in the NFL. Thats why you play the game (Thanks Herm!). Injuries, poor play, the sched., weather, luck, talent, etc. all have a part. If Gilbride wants a quick ticket outta here, give it to him. The core is still here, and its Coach C's team to manage. We could be doing worse (ie:Washington) and be out of the playoff hunt for good. I don't always like the plays Gibride calls, as I feel he dosen't call plays that: 1.) Play into the strengths of the guys on the field. 2.) Open the game up in certain situations. ie. run, run, pass, punt. I see the point about Eli's play in the 2-min drill. Well noticed, and the 4th qtr. game winners as well. But those palys were called by Gilbride as well. Plus I like the idea of consistency at that position (OC) then I like the idea of the revolving door system, used on other NFL teams. I just wish, as one post suggests, that Gilbride use a little bit more "with-it" play calling, as the D needs a break here and there. Coach C's not on the hot seat, but he is aware of the "issues" now, and I trust in him to do whats BEST for the NY Giants first, then the sensitive egos of players and fans.
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11. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Nov 27 2009, 12:37 PM EST
From your mouth to gods ear if we could only get payton back! I've wanted gilbrite gone ever since he got there. Living in Cali I get to see the chargers play and I seen his work for a long time it sucked then and it sucks a whole heck of alot now! What makes it worse is that the head coach dosen't even see it because he also canot think on the fly! I think it's time ofr the old guy to retire!
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aquastell |
12. RE: Keep Sheridan; Get Rid of Gilbride!
Dec 2 2009, 9:29 PM EST
Maybe it is time to go younger at coach. I always have respected TC and knew it was the correct decision to bring him here. But Superstarzchef makes a good point; the players are also accountable. I still think TC is a great leader and has another Championship in him. He is also loyal to his associates but has demonstrated the ability to make changes when necessary; I can't help but think the Giants should be reaching out to CW at this time. We still have the possibility of a run in us but until I see 130 yards generated in the rushing game EVERY game I am not holding my breath. We need to win out to have a chance. Go Giants!
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